Talk:General Discussion

Welcome anyone and everyone! Please make use of this for anything and everything you want to talk about =). KTCAOP 15:18, January 23, 2011 (EST)

Signatures!
Please remember to sign yourselves in a discussion. In order to do this just put four tildes ~ This will help us (and me particularly) with what needs to be done. I do go through and read the wiki and will edit things as needed. If you feel a particular need to contact me, feel free to contact me. You can find all of my contacts off of my userpage. Thank you KTCAOP 14:49, January 23, 2011 (EST)

And if you need to get a hold of me, please use my UserTalk page. --Pho Kadat 20:09, June 24, 2011 (EDT)

Adding Creature Data
Please use unmodified creature stats (i.e. stats without room or furniture bonuses) if you intend to update missing leveled creature information. This information can be acquired from the Raiding screen in the Overworld view as opposed to the Creatures screen in the Dungeon view. --Pho Kadat 20:09, June 24, 2011 (EDT)

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Yay! The wiki has surpassed one million views. Special:Statistics. --Pho Kadat 02:57, June 28, 2011 (EDT)

General Discussion
Use this section to discuss anything related to the game or the wiki.

Today's Topic...
New Templates

I built some templates in an effort to encourage further page updating. There are several categories including: Outdated, Stub, Cleanup, and Incompete. They are easy to use and they are brightly colored, so you can't miss 'em. --Pho Kadat 21:02, October 29, 2011 (EDT)


 * I also added some categories so these marked pages can be grouped and found with ease, so start marking them up. Also, please leave a comment in the discussion page detailing why you marked the page. --Pho Kadat 21:22, October 29, 2011 (EDT)

Halloween

Should we try to mention some of the Halloween grafiks in the wiki or just let it be and not spoil the "surprise"? What is this i dont even 06:21, October 18, 2011 (EDT)


 * Absolutely. I think there could be some sort of page called "Holiday Themes" or "Temporary Features" or something to that effect. Presumably this isn't the last time they're planning on doing something like this. The page could list the time frame of the feature and then list what the changes were. Included pictures would be best! DragonMudd 07:35, October 18, 2011 (EDT)

My test version from Camtasia 7 isnt working anymore and when I try to reinstall it it still tells me I should buy it. With that program you can do .gifs like I've done them for the vault page. Maybe you or someone else could give it a try. I think the farm has changed at every stage. What is this i dont even 13:08, October 18, 2011 (EDT)

Overworld Inhabitants

The Overworld Inhabitants Link on the main page, is it needed anymore? I think it should be deleted and the information added to the creature pages. Also Region and Location are not needed iformations, right? What is this i dont even 08:29, October 3, 2011 (EDT)


 * Yes, this could be removed from the main page and re-linked somewhere on the creature page. Please don't add this information directly to the creature page though as that page is already quite lengthy. Optimally, it would be nice to see each NPC creature get its own page with a stat block as Rorschach started with the Elf Cleric. --Pho Kadat 19:05, October 3, 2011 (EDT)

New server and the upcoming changes = big importance?

Maybe you have all allready read the new NOG announcement concerning the new upcoming servers and which changes will come. If not read it: http://forum.nightowlgames.net/showthread.php?1567-Night-Owl-Games-Official-Multi-Server-Statement So well which content will the wiki contain? Since the level system and also recepies will be changed there will might be big differences between beta and non beta servers. So what will happen? What is this i dont even 15:56, August 23, 2011 (EDT)


 * The best choice would probably be to create a new wiki. Changes will probably be significant enough to warrant it, plus considering that I'm the last Admin left for this site and the unlikelihood of my transition over to the new server, a new wiki with a new Founder/Admin group makes the most sense. --Pho Kadat 17:12, August 23, 2011 (EDT)

Tbh I don't think the work on this wiki should be forgotten. Starting on over again would not be very smart, since not even this one is done. We don't know all of the changes which will be non-beta server exclusive but I don't think it would be that hard to implement. If they change the formulas for furniture only a new table would have to be added to the furniture sites right? If the conributors to this wiki are becoming less and less I don't think people will be able to form another group, the most active ones are here right? What is this i dont even 06:16, August 24, 2011 (EDT)


 * Can we fork the project? Rename this one to "Dungeon Overlord Beta Server Wiki" and copy the info to a new instance and edit from there. For all I know this capability may be built into Referata. It definitely would be confusing to try and host both together, with the differences in play (and there are likely more differences than we are aware of at this time). I can't volunteer to lead the new project but I will be happy to help out with it. Rbird 09:40, August 24, 2011 (EDT)


 * That is what I think would be best. Even if you can't dump all the info directly into another wiki, using the wikitext mode and Ctrl-A can get you pretty far. There would certainly be some work to be done to get it off the ground, but you wouldn't be starting over completely from scratch. Plus, consider all the new players that will be joining the game once the new servers are rolled out. At least a few of those folks will contribute. The transition doesn't need to be done right away, espcially considering that the soon-to-be outdated information here is light-years ahead of what we had when we started playing. --Pho Kadat 16:47, August 24, 2011 (EDT)


 * Could we take over the other DO wiki copy(?)? http://dungeonoverlord.wikia.com/wiki/Dungeon_Overlord_Wiki What is this i dont even 17:26, August 24, 2011 (EDT)


 * It also seems to be not that easy. You can't change the referata domain it seems:
 * Can I move my wiki to a different referata.com subdomain?


 * Not entirely, but you can do something that has the same effect: create a "URL alias" for your wiki, which is another subdomain of referata.com, so that the wiki can be accessible at either subdomain. You can change around the URL alias for your wiki as many times as you want, although you can only use subdomains that haven't already been taken. You can set the URL alias in the main tab of the "Site settings" page.
 * So any other ideas? What is this i dont even 12:55, August 26, 2011 (EDT)


 * But we're not trying to move the site to a different domain, we're trying to copy it to another another domain and then alter it. It seems the Export Page feature is what will be needed. Start up a new Wiki (Referata or otherwise), export the pages here to your local machine, import them to the next wiki, then edit. --Pho Kadat 16:48, August 26, 2011 (EDT)


 * How much MB does this wiki have? The free referata allows only up to 100 MB. I bet my GIFs take also a lot of space. If we should move this, who would be willing to help? There are like a few hundreds of sites. What is this i dont even 09:11, August 27, 2011 (EDT)
 * We're currently at 59.9 MB --Pho Kadat 15:55, August 27, 2011 (EDT)
 * Allright, it might be enough, but is there any other way to link pictures from other pages to a wiki? And well can the Admin make a list with the names of all pages so that they fit into the export page?(only one page name per line) What is this i dont even 05:59, August 28, 2011 (EDT)
 * In the "Add Pages from Namespace" dropdown box, select "(main)" and hit the Add button. It will generate the name of each article. Then you can mass export. You can do the same, but select "File," to grab all of the pictures at once. --Pho Kadat 06:26, August 28, 2011 (EDT)
 * Thanks, now I have exported all the pages and I think it was successfull. But exporting files didn't work. I allways get a small .xml file about 100kb but I think I should get a file around 50MB, right? What is this i dont even 07:56, August 28, 2011 (EDT)
 * Hmm, I wonder if that will be sufficient. The only way to know is to import those files to a new wiki, although I'm doubting it. You may have to copy each image individually. If that is indeed the case, you can use the file list. --Pho Kadat 17:19, August 28, 2011 (EDT)
 * Yes, it seems to be the only way and it seems this wiki has maybe ~400 files. Not all will be used again but it is still damn much. I would need some help to do this. But much more important is if this wiki is really going to be stopped. Exporting all the files only makes sense if this wiki won't be used anymore. So will this really be dropped? What is this i dont even 06:15, September 10, 2011 (EDT)
 * Again, the issue isn't about this wiki ending necessarily. Although, if the new servers effectively kill off the Beta server, then there is that potential. The issue is how greatly the game mechanics differ between the New and Beta servers. If you have to set up multiple pages per game item, then you'd be better off completely segregating that information into another wiki (files included). If you need help, post something on the forums that you are forming an Admin group for the New-Server wiki and that you need help exporting/importing data. You should get a better response there as these discussion pages go relatively unnoticed. --Pho Kadat 20:32, September 10, 2011 (EDT)
 * I think you have seen the thread (http://forum.nightowlgames.net/showthread.php?2021-New-Server-World-Explanation). Big changes are coming. That would make another wiki univetable? What is this i dont even 20:01, September 14, 2011 (EDT)
 * Also, you cannot use external graphics using within the wiki markup since only a few HTML tags work. --Pho Kadat 06:38, August 28, 2011 (EDT)
 * Allright, it seems to work somehow, now we just need a list with the name of all pages, then it should work faster. http://dungeonoverlord.referata.com/wiki/Welcome What is this i dont even 11:16, August 27, 2011 (EDT)

Can you even copy the stuff really that easy? Copying all the grafics alone seems much of a work for me. What is this i dont even 12:06, August 24, 2011 (EDT)

Region Pages

Do we need these? There doesn't seem to be much information included in either the Ogre Bone or Fire Plains pages (although the graphic in the latter is really neat). Should these be consolidated within the corresponding continent pages? Obviously, someone would have to create the missing continent pages fist. What do you think? --Pho Kadat 21:44, June 30, 2011 (EDT)


 * Hmm, another successful discussion. Maybe I should put "Check the discussion page for message from the Admins" somewhere on the Main Page. --Pho Kadat 20:54, July 16, 2011 (EDT)


 * Continent pages don't seem like a bad idea. Wondering what their ultimate purpose is, though. Aren't all the regions really kind of the same, other than who lives in them? I think the only useful information is whether the game has populated a region or not. Maybe get some input on player start dates and corresponding locations? Rbird 13:37, July 18, 2011 (EDT)
 * I like the idea about whether a region has been populated yet, but other then that, there just isn't enough information to fill a page. Not that I don't like the effort someone made. I like the start date idea even more, but getting enough player data will be like pulling teeth. --Pho Kadat 17:30, July 18, 2011 (EDT)
 * I honestly don't know what date I started playing. If a way to determine it was found, and it was advertised on the forums along with a request to submit the info to the wiki, it might yield enough. Rbird 18:42, July 18, 2011 (EDT)

To-Do-List

Hi, I am new to Dungeon Overlord and to wikis but still I kinda like the game so I woud like to help a little bit with the wiki. Any idea what has to be changed/updated/done? What is this i dont even 08:16, August 5, 2011 (EDT)


 * Look over to the left at the "Wanted Pages" link. Some pages could be done by just copying info from in-game stats. Also, not much info on the new update has been posted at this time. Rbird 08:38, August 5, 2011 (EDT)
 * I will take a look at it. Some of the older pages also seem not to be totally up-to-date or to look the same. What is this i dont even 09:04, August 5, 2011 (EDT)
 * I have done some work on the Heart of the Mountain. Should it not be added to the "Your dungeon" list on the main page? I could become your dungeon so it fits somehow I think. What is this i dont even 09:10, August 6, 2011 (EDT)

Omissions &amp; Errors
''See something that doesn't look right? Well then fix it! It is easier than it looks, but if you really can't, don't have time, or need help, post your concerns here.''

Missing Pages

 * Combat
 * Lots of missing furniture pages

Needs Updating

 * New quests have been added.
 * Many Quest rewards missing.
 * Reference: http://live.nightowlgames.net/data/Quests.xml Rorschach 18:23, June 25, 2011 (EDT)
 * Complete Unlocking Research column on Furniture page.
 * Reference: http://live.nightowlgames.net/data/Furniture.xml
 * Known Bugs page hasn't been updated since early April.

Upgrading to Standards
I've been going through and updating a few pages to Wikipedia standards. I haven't removed any helpful content in the process. If this annoys anyone, please feel free to revert. I'm just a fan of Wikipedia and see some sense and adhering to (some) of their established guidelines, especially where wiki markup and formatting are concerned. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 09:44, February 8, 2011 (EST)


 * Thanks for the help =P =). I am more or less concerned with information and aesthetics. You'll be given overall quite a bit of freedom but yeah =P. If there is something weird then we can always change it back but I'll let you know why I undo things if I do =) KTCAOP 11:13, February 8, 2011 (EST)

Article on the new Scoring System
Would it be ok for me to post an article based on my observations on the new Scoring system? I believe I understand the rationale behind it, and can explain it in terms that would make sense to the layman at this point. I also believe that the new system was designed for score stability, rather than showing the actual power a player has at that moment. This way it would drive players to go for a higher score, enabling them to replace lost armies more easily and get players to take a more balanced approach. This way rather than having a player rush off to make a level 100 balrog, then whine about how long it took when he loses it he will have the economy in place to replace it within a shorter time span and it won't be as bad.

Also I think we should start figuring out how much scoreeach piece of furniture is worth so players can get a better understanding of why Person A has a better score than Person B even though Person B might be higher level. --Chthon 16:42, August 10, 2011 (EDT)


 * I think you should simply go for it and do it. I did the same with the Heart of the Mountain and the Vault and nobody said anything bad. What is this i dont even 18:54, August 10, 2011 (EDT)