User talk:Frecklefoot

Hi
Thought I'd say hi, Chris, since I'm joining a conversation on your talk page. I'm Jason, also a software engineer, although on the business side with only indie forays into gaming.  Hrafn  ( TALK  |  CONTRIBS )  06:18, February 9, 2011 (EST)


 * Nice to meet you, Jason. I'm a software engineer with 15 years of professional game programming experience. I also play some video games on the side. &mdash; Fr&epsilon;ckl&epsilon;fσσt | Talk 08:13, February 9, 2011 (EST)

Stubs
Hrm, perhaps I have been blind. Can you please show me where the precedent is exactly for a stub being posted at the bottom of the site instead of the top of the site? Personally, I find it that a stub marker being at the top of the site makes more sense, since if it is at the bottom of some of the places, the problem becomes it looks like only the last subsection is a stub when the entire page I still consider to be a stub. If there is a precedent for it being at the bottom, however, I will undo my undo. Thank you for helping out on the wiki! =D KTCAOP 11:12, February 8, 2011 (EST)


 * Sorry, that's just the way it's done on Wikipedia. If you prefer a different manner here, please go ahead and change. Participating in so many wikis, I find it hard to keep all their varying standards straight. I'm just used to putting them at the bottom. I know it refers to the whole page, but I guess some users could be confused.  Whatever works best for you. &mdash; Fr&epsilon;ckl&epsilon;fσσt | Talk 11:36, February 8, 2011 (EST)


 * It's not a problem at all =P. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just wondering what the precedent is and to see how it looks on other pages =P. I'm not super familiar with all of the things wiki. For me, I am mostly concerned with the information and aesthetics. Outside of that, there is just about complete freedom (for better or for worse, at least, for now) for anyone to do whatsoever they desire =). I'm always open for input and to see how things are done differently to see if it can be made better =). KTCAOP 12:21, February 8, 2011 (EST)


 * There are numerous examples on Wikipedia, but here's the official guideline. Note it says the stub template should be "placed at the end of the article, after the External links section, any navigation templates, and the category tags, so that the stub category will appear after all article content but before any interlanguage links". I realize this is not Wikipedia and you may want to do things differently.  But since you're using MediaWiki, I thought you might be interested in knowing how Wikipedia organizes things. Thanks for administrating this website! I like DO, but find it mysterious. &mdash; Fr&epsilon;ckl&epsilon;fσσt | Talk 13:43, February 8, 2011 (EST)


 * Ah I see. I think what I'm used to are the banners (templates?) at the top of the page notifying me that such an article is a stub and thus needs revision and what not. Those are very catchy/flashy and get the editors and potential editors attention quite well =P. If we could get that, then I would be fine having the stub tags be moved to the bottom. By the way, do you know if there is a template or something for Main article: Article name? I mean it looks O.K. from how it is, just wondering if there was a better way to do it. I decided to use referata because it was based of MediaWiki. I really, really dislike Wikia but that's probably because I'm just so unfamiliar with the other languages and have grown somewhat comfortable with this. Also, it's so much easier transferring from MediaWiki into another language than vise-versa so yeah =P =). Once again, thank you very much for your experience, you will be given quite a bit of freedom, if I do see an issue I'll let you know but again, I'm more on the admin side of things than the technical side =). KTCAOP 16:05, February 8, 2011 (EST)


 * I'm not sure what you mean by "is there is a template or something for Main article: Article name". Could you please expound or point me to an example?  Thanks. &mdash; Fr&epsilon;ckl&epsilon;fσσt | Talk 16:44, February 8, 2011 (EST)


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_House_episodes#Season_1:_2004.E2.80.9305 KTCAOP 17:57, February 8, 2011 (EST)


 * We could float a box of text at the top and then there would be notices at the top and bottom. When I threw up the Stub template, I just went with the simplest implementation that would work immediately and could be improved over time.  To that end, I have made a proposed edit to the Main template.     Hrafn  ( TALK  |  CONTRIBS )  06:18, February 9, 2011 (EST)


 * Whatever you like. I don't think a glaring notice that an article is a stub is necessary. A short line at the bottom of the article usually suffices. &mdash; Fr&epsilon;ckl&epsilon;fσσt | Talk 08:13, February 9, 2011 (EST)


 * Wait, I think we're talking about two different things now. &mdash; Fr&epsilon;ckl&epsilon;fσσt | Talk 08:15, February 9, 2011 (EST)

Standards
Hey KTCAOP,

I know things here are casual, but is it possible to enforce a few standards? Going through and editing articles, it's a pain in the b*tt to wikilink something, only to find out it's plural and not singular, or the capitalization is wrong. For example, it's Creatures, not creature; it's Dark Elf, not dark elf.

I don't want anything severe, but how about something like the few below:
 * Article/page titles are always singular, unless the subject is normally always plural (e.g. pants, glasses)
 * Page titles are always lowercase (except the first letter) unless it is a proper noun (e.g., it is dark elf or Dark elf, not Dark Elf; Dungeon Overlord has two caps)
 * The lead-in (first) sentence of a page should mention the subject and should be in the "is a" form. That is:
 * The thumwhacker is a very powerful sword for paladins.
 * not
 * The thumwhacker is available after rescuing at least two fair maidens.

The first actually says what the subject is; the second doesn't really tell you what it is, or why you should care.

Just some suggestions. I think these few standards would make the wiki easier to use and more accessible. What 'cha think? &mdash; Fr&epsilon;ckl&epsilon;fσσt | Talk 16:28, March 25, 2011 (EDT) 03:53, March 29, 2011 (EDT)
 * Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner! Finals + Spring Break had me occupied. I'll try to find some time to go through and clean things up. The last bullet point I'm not sure will always fit, but I agree with most of the things you are suggesting.KTCAOP 03:53, March 29, 2011 (EDT)

No problem. I'm glad you like my suggestions and I look forward to continuing to contribute to the wiki moving forward. Hope you got all A's on your finals! &mdash; Fr&epsilon;ckl&epsilon;fσσt | Talk 10:19, March 29, 2011 (EDT)